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Offline Nokie

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« on: March 28, 2013, 04:40:48 pm »
I have a Ventures Virtual Shrine page at http://www.planktones.com/PageShrine.html
Click on any of the photos there to find info on Ventures recordings on various media and Ventures gear including demonstrations of the Award Amplifier.

I've also posted several discussions of Ventures LP's domestic and foreign on youtube (have you ever seen the photo back cover of the Ventures first album?). Those can be found at the following links:

Domestic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONkH6loFyW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDjSmrrRKso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHblHeDsWNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnWZaZQUOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfhLsdhELk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjz4n--BkSg
Live in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8pUKkBNGqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfP2QkBKX7g
Japanese Pops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnPliI9deE
Japanese Audiophile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFdXNnGXhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK9ZksUsZFY
Example of better mastering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfNRtTWyKf4

-Marty


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Re: More Ventures Related Websites
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 05:04:10 pm »
What is the better mastering example showing? I don'thear any diff.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 12:54:48 pm »
At 3 seconds and 9 seconds watch the top wave form. You can see and hear the bass and drums "previewed" before they actually come in. This is due to print-through on an old master tape. The last of the three samples does not have the print through. This suggests that the mastering on the last example was done from a better master tape.

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 01:01:02 pm »
That's whatt thot you meant.
It's intresting that a lot of my original LP from the 60's have this also, so I wonder if it's really something OTHER than printhru?

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 08:48:21 am »
You'll hear it on every LP in the silent parts just before a song begins and that is indeed NOT due to the master tape. It is due to the stylus picking up the "other side" of the groove its currently in. Crank up your amp when playing an LP and you'll get a quiet preview of what is about to blast through the speakers.

On CD's taken from master tapes, the only time you'll hear it is if the print through is on the master tape from which the CD was mfg'd. That is to say any "quiet preview" is not a function of the CD player.  It's usually due to an old master tape or thin low quality tape stock or both. The example in the video is particularly bad.

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 07:07:51 pm »
I actually don't mind.
I'm notta big fanna CDs anwy.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 03:23:58 pm »
I don't mind that aspect of LPs either - I usually don't notice. I do mind the distortion on the CD example, it means that SFM and One Way didn't use the best master tape.

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 05:18:47 pm »
I talked to the One Way guy @ that time they released CDs.
He didn't even know that some of his "masters" were mono and not stereo.
I'll bet Japan still has the "best" masters.

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 08:26:58 pm »
He may not have known but someone in the One Way organization did. I know that because they make note of it on their Batman CD. On the back it notes that they deliberately used the mono master as they could not find a good stereo master. Every other CD issue of The Ventures Batman (SFM, all Toshiba EMI  issues) use a terribly flawed stereo master. One Way also used the mono master for "Fabulous Ventures" and as well, other issues of that CD suffer from a poor stereo master though not nearly as bad as the Batman one. 


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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 09:56:53 pm »
Yessir, U are correct about the masters.
I have Japanese vinyl of the recordings "in question" as well as the Japanese CDs.
They are soo perb from what I remba, but I don't lissen to records or CDs much anymore. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 10:30:18 am »
Thanks Marty.   That was fun.   It's 'always' been a given that the
Japanese approached mastering quite different & there was 'no
contest' when it came to the quality of the actual vinyl pressings. 
There was a limit per master & it clearly showed when that needle
hit he grooves! 

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2013, 02:15:33 pm »
Sine BOTHA u gize R into audio, here's a li'l sumtinsumtin i did lass nite:

98.220.198.136/tunes/twistdchan1.mp3
98.220.198.136/tunes/twistdchan1.mp3

no printhru or echoes of any kind
this is l/r channel (each in mono) so you can heer watts bein play heer.
usta cood do this IF u lissen thru a stereo w/Volum control....juss isolate leff/rite

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2013, 03:12:07 pm »
Twisted is a great recording. I haven't noticed print through on any Ventures recordings except for that "Fuzzy and Wild" recording I posted on youtube. I imagine others exist but I just haven't come across any as obvious that one.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 03:31:15 pm »
I have MANY stereo Ventures LP that havit.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2013, 07:57:04 pm »
If your talking about hearing print through in the silent sections just before the track starts, then yes, it's on every lp. If you're talking about examples such as what I posted where it come through in the middle of a song, let me know next time you come across an example. I love investigating these anomalies.